1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,380 A few weeks ago, those of you who watched the show regularly will remember that we had a 2 00:00:09,380 --> 00:00:13,820 gentleman on the show who told us the story of how he and his wife were taking a border 3 00:00:13,820 --> 00:00:14,820 flying saucer. 4 00:00:14,820 --> 00:00:19,260 Now, in the past several years, there have been many similar stories of which some have 5 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:20,260 been explained. 6 00:00:20,260 --> 00:00:25,300 However, there have been many sightings of unidentified flying objects which can't be 7 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:27,180 explained by natural phenomena. 8 00:00:27,180 --> 00:00:34,180 So today we have with us a scientist who has been a leading astronomer for over 25 years. 9 00:00:34,180 --> 00:00:39,180 He has some very definite ideas on what flying saucers are and where they come from. 10 00:00:39,180 --> 00:00:41,540 And I know we're all going to be delighted to meet him. 11 00:00:41,540 --> 00:00:43,540 So welcome and please, Dr. I am Levitt. 12 00:00:43,540 --> 00:01:00,540 Do you believe there are such a thing as a flying saucer? 13 00:01:00,540 --> 00:01:03,540 Well, I believe there are unidentified flying objects. 14 00:01:03,540 --> 00:01:06,540 If you call them flying saucers, this is your definition of them. 15 00:01:06,540 --> 00:01:08,540 You don't think they're flying saucers? 16 00:01:08,540 --> 00:01:12,540 Well, I believe people are seeing things. 17 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:15,540 This is the first thing we've got. 18 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:19,540 They're seeing things, but I think in most cases we can explain what they are seeing 19 00:01:19,540 --> 00:01:22,540 as the operation of a natural law. 20 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:28,540 In very few cases, we might find that these are not the operation of a natural law, or 21 00:01:28,540 --> 00:01:32,540 I should say these are the operation of a natural law, of which we have no knowledge as yet. 22 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:38,540 You know, if we knew everything that we have to know about science, we could close up our 23 00:01:38,540 --> 00:01:43,540 universities, our colleges, our research organizations. 24 00:01:43,540 --> 00:01:45,540 And obviously we are still going to school. 25 00:01:45,540 --> 00:01:47,540 We're still learning a great deal. 26 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:53,540 And so our 21st century science is going to be far beyond our 20th century science, 27 00:01:53,540 --> 00:01:57,540 and our 22nd century science will be far beyond that. 28 00:01:57,540 --> 00:02:01,540 And so we have gotten into a realm where we are projecting into the future, 29 00:02:01,540 --> 00:02:07,540 and we are trying today to explain phenomena perhaps of which we have no knowledge. 30 00:02:07,540 --> 00:02:09,540 This may be the new thing. 31 00:02:09,540 --> 00:02:13,540 But if this is a phenomenon that's been around, we just don't explain. 32 00:02:13,540 --> 00:02:17,540 Why is it only the last several years that people started to talk about seeing them? 33 00:02:17,540 --> 00:02:19,540 What may have seen them use them? 34 00:02:19,540 --> 00:02:21,540 Well, this is General Fallasie. 35 00:02:21,540 --> 00:02:24,540 You know the French sauce lying in sauces back in the 18th century? 36 00:02:24,540 --> 00:02:31,540 The English saw the famous Durham lights in the 19th century and the 20th century leading in this country's 37 00:02:31,540 --> 00:02:36,540 socialism. And apparently there's a PhD thesis in this for some psychology student. 38 00:02:36,540 --> 00:02:38,540 Doctor, you just called the blind sauce. 39 00:02:38,540 --> 00:02:41,540 And you corrected me when I said it. 40 00:02:41,540 --> 00:02:44,540 See how easy it is to slip into that? 41 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:49,540 All right, I'm sorry. 42 00:02:49,540 --> 00:02:52,540 Have you ever seen one? 43 00:02:52,540 --> 00:02:53,540 No, I have not. 44 00:02:53,540 --> 00:02:55,540 This is the thing that bothers me. 45 00:02:55,540 --> 00:02:58,540 Why discriminate against me? 46 00:02:58,540 --> 00:03:08,540 You know, people are seeing things and some scientists or some astronomers have two, three, four, but there are about 2,000 of them. 47 00:03:08,540 --> 00:03:16,540 Well, why does it have to be someone taking a day home at three o'clock in the morning of the milkman to see these things and not me? 48 00:03:16,540 --> 00:03:19,540 There have been some commercial pilots who have seen them. 49 00:03:19,540 --> 00:03:20,540 Precisely. 50 00:03:20,540 --> 00:03:21,540 Yes, commercial pilots. 51 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:23,540 No, no, no. 52 00:03:23,540 --> 00:03:28,540 But here again, we get back to the thing that I started off with when I started to set my cars up. 53 00:03:28,540 --> 00:03:31,540 These people are seeing things. 54 00:03:31,540 --> 00:03:34,540 We cannot explain what they are seeing for two reasons. 55 00:03:34,540 --> 00:03:38,540 One is their definition, their description is not good enough. 56 00:03:38,540 --> 00:03:41,540 And two is that their description is perfect in there. 57 00:03:41,540 --> 00:03:42,540 What they tell us is perfect. 58 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:46,540 We do not know under what laws these things operate. 59 00:03:46,540 --> 00:03:48,540 Now, let me give you an example of that. 60 00:03:48,540 --> 00:03:51,540 We have radiation belts around the earth. 61 00:03:51,540 --> 00:03:54,540 They have been around the earth for five billion years. 62 00:03:54,540 --> 00:04:01,540 We never knew it until we sent Explorer 1 up in January of 1958 and suddenly we know their radiation belts. 63 00:04:01,540 --> 00:04:08,540 There is a solar wind moving out from the sun doing all sorts of tricks to comets to the magnetic field of the earth and so on. 64 00:04:08,540 --> 00:04:12,540 We never knew that until 1960 when Pioneer went out. 65 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:20,540 But so all around us, on the earth, off in space, we have the operation of natural laws at which we have no knowledge. 66 00:04:20,540 --> 00:04:26,540 And I would guess, I would speculate that most of the sightings which cannot be explained, 67 00:04:26,540 --> 00:04:34,540 but which come to us from skilled observers like airline pilots and people of that caliber or that category, 68 00:04:34,540 --> 00:04:39,540 these are the operation of the natural laws of which we have no knowledge. 69 00:04:39,540 --> 00:04:43,540 But how do you explain all these pictures that have appeared? 70 00:04:43,540 --> 00:04:46,540 Well, I would guess most of them are fakes and phonies. 71 00:04:46,540 --> 00:04:53,540 If I were a photographer setting out to show you a picture of a flying saucer with a skill I have, 72 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:56,540 I could really conjure up a lulu. 73 00:04:56,540 --> 00:04:59,540 And so I think that most of them are phony. 74 00:04:59,540 --> 00:05:03,540 There are some which apparently are not. 75 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:10,540 The one that the Coast Guardsmen made up in Connecticut for blobs of stuff out there. 76 00:05:10,540 --> 00:05:12,540 This is a genuine picture. 77 00:05:12,540 --> 00:05:13,540 This man photographed it. 78 00:05:13,540 --> 00:05:17,540 Now if you ask me, well, what was it he photographed again? 79 00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:23,540 I say, I don't know what it is that he photographed because we just don't know. 80 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:26,540 Well, why is it that most of the sightings have been in the United States? 81 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:27,540 There have been a couple. 82 00:05:27,540 --> 00:05:30,540 There was one at Scotland, as I recall. 83 00:05:30,540 --> 00:05:32,540 Why most of them in this country, not in other countries? 84 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:35,540 I mean, any in Austria? Excuse me. 85 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:36,540 Pardon me? 86 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:38,540 Any in Austria? Has anyone ever been in San Francisco? 87 00:05:38,540 --> 00:05:39,540 They thought so. 88 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:40,540 They thought they were too. 89 00:05:40,540 --> 00:05:41,540 They were not there. 90 00:05:41,540 --> 00:05:42,540 I've seen them. 91 00:05:42,540 --> 00:05:46,540 I've seen them all over, but not with the intensity that we have. 92 00:05:46,540 --> 00:05:51,540 And I think this is a tribute to our remarkable press and radio, our news media, 93 00:05:51,540 --> 00:05:57,540 because if something happens out in, say, Texas at, oh, let's say 120, 94 00:05:57,540 --> 00:06:00,540 at 125 we are hearing about it in Philadelphia. 95 00:06:00,540 --> 00:06:07,540 And so the tremendous grasp of the news media today has perpetuated and has 96 00:06:08,540 --> 00:06:10,540 assimilated this and has perpetuated this. 97 00:06:10,540 --> 00:06:11,540 So it's a tribute. 98 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:16,540 Well, how do you explain the story that was in Life Magazine, for instance, 99 00:06:16,540 --> 00:06:18,540 that two people were abducted? 100 00:06:18,540 --> 00:06:19,540 You remember the story? 101 00:06:19,540 --> 00:06:20,540 Yes. 102 00:06:20,540 --> 00:06:23,540 And put in the clients often and they came back. 103 00:06:23,540 --> 00:06:25,540 Now, what sort of a thing is this? 104 00:06:25,540 --> 00:06:27,540 Well, I personally doubt this. 105 00:06:27,540 --> 00:06:30,540 But put up Magazine, like Life Magazine? 106 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:31,540 I think it was. 107 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:33,540 Well, we'll look for a life for any of them. 108 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:36,540 Now, the one thing you most... 109 00:06:36,540 --> 00:06:43,540 The one thing that you most remember is that this is newsworthy. 110 00:06:43,540 --> 00:06:50,540 Look, life, the post, our newspapers, they are interested in selling papers, magazines, or books. 111 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:54,540 Doctor, we had this man on the show and he was an articulate and bright man. 112 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:56,540 And why do you doubt something like that? 113 00:06:56,540 --> 00:07:01,540 Well, my doubts concerning these people who have been in the flying thought 114 00:07:01,540 --> 00:07:04,540 is I had been on a show with someone from North Jersey. 115 00:07:04,540 --> 00:07:08,540 The incident he was on a flying start from Venus, he married a Newsyan girl, 116 00:07:08,540 --> 00:07:12,540 which turned out to be a magnificently beautiful blonde. 117 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:13,540 Well... 118 00:07:13,540 --> 00:07:15,540 Is that already, sir? 119 00:07:15,540 --> 00:07:17,540 Well, they're already on back, Michelle. 120 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:19,540 Did he bring her back with him when he left today? 121 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:20,540 No, she was here. 122 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:21,540 I saw her. 123 00:07:21,540 --> 00:07:24,540 But as I say, tremendous, tremendous... 124 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:26,540 What does she look like this girl? 125 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:27,540 Hey, beautifully stacked blonde. 126 00:07:27,540 --> 00:07:29,540 What else can I tell you? 127 00:07:30,540 --> 00:07:33,540 It's stacked on Doctor. We'll be right back. 128 00:07:38,540 --> 00:07:44,540 Oh, Doctor, we'd like to show our audience and you a picture taken February 26, 1955 129 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:49,540 with an 8mm, it was a motion picture camera, and here's a still of us. 130 00:07:49,540 --> 00:07:53,540 Mrs. Rodefer took this in Maryland. 131 00:07:53,540 --> 00:07:55,540 Looks like the Batmobile. 132 00:07:55,540 --> 00:07:58,540 She says this is an authentic flying saucer. 133 00:07:58,540 --> 00:08:00,540 Now, what do you think that is? 134 00:08:00,540 --> 00:08:02,540 Who authenticated it? 135 00:08:02,540 --> 00:08:03,540 Mr. Rodefer. 136 00:08:06,540 --> 00:08:14,540 No, seriously, I would doubt that this is quote, authentic, end quote, flying saucer, 137 00:08:14,540 --> 00:08:16,540 an undenied flying object. 138 00:08:16,540 --> 00:08:18,540 This is too pat. 139 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:26,540 When you provide for me amorphous things, which I cannot precisely describe, 140 00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:31,540 I might go along with you as being the picture of a phenomenon. 141 00:08:31,540 --> 00:08:36,540 But when you give it to me with these hard lines, I find it very, very difficult to accept. 142 00:08:36,540 --> 00:08:41,540 Mike, maybe get back to this Joseph and the flying saucer. 143 00:08:41,540 --> 00:08:49,540 Well, I was on a show at this chap who apparently had been in a flying saucer from Venus. 144 00:08:49,540 --> 00:08:54,540 And he told us about his experiences and I sat there and waited until he had finished. 145 00:08:54,540 --> 00:08:59,540 And then I asked one question and the question goes along these lines. 146 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:01,540 If there are any spaceships that come to the Earth, 147 00:09:01,540 --> 00:09:07,540 meaning they have achieved a technological stature far beyond where we are today, 148 00:09:07,540 --> 00:09:14,540 perhaps where we will be in the year 2000, perhaps where we will be in the year 2100 AD, 149 00:09:14,540 --> 00:09:18,540 therefore all of their technology must have kept pace with this. 150 00:09:18,540 --> 00:09:22,540 And for instance, if you take me into a spaceship like that, 151 00:09:22,540 --> 00:09:34,540 I will see the shape of things that come in terms of food, clothes, furniture, propulsion, all types of things. 152 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:36,540 And so I asked him a very simple question. 153 00:09:36,540 --> 00:09:41,540 I described the inside of this ship to me and I told him this and I said, it better be good. 154 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:43,540 And he never said a word. 155 00:09:43,540 --> 00:09:46,540 He stared right out at the audience and never said a word. 156 00:09:46,540 --> 00:09:54,540 And so when this chap was on the show with you, 157 00:09:54,540 --> 00:09:56,540 he says he was an applying saucer. 158 00:09:56,540 --> 00:10:00,540 I would like to pose precisely the same question to him. 159 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:07,540 Explain to me and describe to me the operations of this device, which is far in the future. 160 00:10:07,540 --> 00:10:08,540 In terms of the unconscious. 161 00:10:08,540 --> 00:10:11,540 The wife claims she saw everything. 162 00:10:11,540 --> 00:10:12,540 That was so weird. 163 00:10:12,540 --> 00:10:15,540 And also they give him a physical examination. 164 00:10:15,540 --> 00:10:16,540 The wife. 165 00:10:16,540 --> 00:10:19,540 They read somewhere about physical examination. 166 00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:24,540 Now, let's go ahead in 10 years, 10 or 15 years. 167 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:28,540 Now, right here on the earth, Mike, I believe that in 10 or 15 years, 168 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:32,540 they're going to put someone like yourself in some sort of a cubicle. 169 00:10:32,540 --> 00:10:34,540 And they are not going to. 170 00:10:34,540 --> 00:10:36,540 I'll be ready for it in 10 years. 171 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:38,540 I don't want to be a cubicle. 172 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:40,540 Well, forgive me. 173 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:41,540 Forgive me. 174 00:10:41,540 --> 00:10:44,540 We will lie you on a nice, smooth, hard bed. 175 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:45,540 Oh, you mean after I go? 176 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:47,540 Because you have a bad back, we'll put you on a hard bed. 177 00:10:48,540 --> 00:10:54,540 We will be able to take a complete medical subject you to a complete medical examination, 178 00:10:54,540 --> 00:10:58,540 perhaps without putting a thing on you because the senses, 179 00:10:58,540 --> 00:11:03,540 the sophisticated senses that we will be using on a human being are such. 180 00:11:03,540 --> 00:11:11,540 You will be able to take pressure, temperature, pulse, perhaps the operation of internal organs and so on. 181 00:11:11,540 --> 00:11:19,540 And no one will put a thing on you, but somebody will monitor a set of dials and will be able to give you that. 182 00:11:19,540 --> 00:11:28,540 Now, if these people are in a spaceship which has come in from this outer region and they're so far ahead of us, 183 00:11:28,540 --> 00:11:34,540 they must be in order to be able to do this, do you mean to say they're going to give them an examination, 184 00:11:34,540 --> 00:11:36,540 the way we do it today in our own hospitals? 185 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:37,540 I doubt that. 186 00:11:37,540 --> 00:11:38,540 I can't hold still for that. 187 00:11:38,540 --> 00:11:44,540 I'll be happy when that machine comes along so we can get away from those doctors who keep those stethoscopes in the refrigerator. 188 00:11:44,540 --> 00:11:48,540 I don't know how much it's going to cost. 189 00:11:48,540 --> 00:11:53,540 Well, it probably will cost a lot less than it costs today because the most expensive thing is labor. 190 00:11:53,540 --> 00:11:56,540 There won't be any labor associated with this. 191 00:11:56,540 --> 00:11:58,540 Of course, a lot of nice jobs lost. 192 00:11:58,540 --> 00:12:03,540 What do you think? Do you think there is any other intelligent life in outer space? 193 00:12:03,540 --> 00:12:07,540 Yes, I think there's an infinity of intelligent life in outer space. 194 00:12:07,540 --> 00:12:14,540 And I believe most of it, in outer space, I mean away out in space, not in our own solar system, but beyond that. 195 00:12:14,540 --> 00:12:21,540 There's an infinity of life out there, and I think most of it is a good bit more intelligent than the life we have here on the Earth. 196 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:27,540 And the reason for that is that our sun is a relatively new star. 197 00:12:27,540 --> 00:12:32,540 And some four or five billion years after the star comes into being, 198 00:12:32,540 --> 00:12:40,540 if it has a planetary system, a form of life is generated or evolves on that planetary system. 199 00:12:40,540 --> 00:12:46,540 And so if we are a relatively new star and most of them are older than we are, 200 00:12:46,540 --> 00:12:51,540 then I would imagine these other civilizations go far beyond where we are today. 201 00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:55,540 I think we've ever been visited by any of these beings from other planets. 202 00:12:55,540 --> 00:13:03,540 It is quite possible that we have been visited. I think it was Thomas Gold who, I think he is the man. 203 00:13:03,540 --> 00:13:08,540 He's an astrophysicist of the Cornell who said, it is conceivable that a long, long time ago, 204 00:13:08,540 --> 00:13:15,540 perhaps several billion years ago, a spaceship came in from another planetary system. 205 00:13:15,540 --> 00:13:20,540 And they sat down on the Earth and looked around and said, why have they been discussing what a sterile planet this is? 206 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:23,540 Well, let's visit again a couple of billion years. 207 00:13:23,540 --> 00:13:27,540 And they took what they had to in terms of supplies and whatever else they needed. 208 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:33,540 And of course, like the average picnic air when he's ready to leave, he tosses everything out of the car. 209 00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:41,540 And out of the spaceship may have gone the apple cores and banana peels and the tomatoes and so on. 210 00:13:41,540 --> 00:13:48,540 And if they did, it is conceivable that we may have about something like that. 211 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:52,540 I agree because I have an uncle I know who's from out of this world.